BEAR, HAMID, MIKE AND DREW PONDER THE UNIVERSE |
May 08, 2007
BEAR, HAMID, MIKE AND DREW PONDER THE UNIVERSE
Name: CAPT Doug Traversa
Posting date: 5/8/07
Returning from: Afghanistan
Milblog url: traversa.typepad.com
Shortly before we left Afghanistan, we had another of our justly famous conversations about universal truths, and this time Mike and Drew got to participate also. Poor Hamid, his brain hurts enough when I talk to him; imagine the migraine he must have had after talking to the three of us. I don’t remember how we got on the topic, but we ended up discussing freedom of religion.
“People in Afghanistan don’t need the freedom to switch religions; no one would leave Islam,” Hamid assured us.
“Well, how would you know? Right now it’s like having a gun held to your head. Remain Muslim or die. Your government forces everyone to remain Muslim. Leaving the faith is never a realistic possibility for anyone, unless they flee the country,” I countered.
“But no one would ever leave Islam. It is the perfect religion.” Hamid was very confident on this point.
“Hamid, you’ve never even read the Qur’an. Don’t tell me it’s the perfect religion.”
Mike joined in at this point. “I find it amazing that so many people here have not read their most holy book. I’m not talking about people who can’t read, I’m talking about those who know how, but never bother.”
I piled on. “Why haven’t you read it? It’s the most important book in your life, and you’ve never read it.”
Hamid didn’t hesitate. “My mullah tells me what is in the Qur’an.”
[Yes, I know, we’ve had this discussion before. Please bear with us.]
Mike (did I mention he is a lawyer?) pounced on this. “So you are basing your entire set of beliefs on what one man tells you? Why would you do that? What if he’s wrong?”
“If he is wrong, someone can say something in the mosque.”
I had to jump on this one. “Hamid, has anyone ever stood up and said that the mullah was wrong about anything?”
He paused, then shook his head. “No. But they could if he was wrong.”
“Hamid,” I disagreed, “No one is going to contradict the mullah. They are probably afraid, or think he knows better than they do. That’s why no one ever disagrees with him. But let me ask you something else. Do you think it would be a good idea to change the law in Afghanistan to allow people to change their religion?”
Hamid seemed puzzled. “No one would do that. Islam is the perfect religion.”
“That doesn’t matter. Would you change the law if you could?”
“No,” he said simply.
“Why not? What are you afraid of?” I demanded.
“We don’t want people to go to hell.”
Mike joined in here. “In our country, you are free to worship as you please. The government doesn’t tell you what to believe or how to worship. I could make up a new religion today if I wanted to, and they wouldn’t stop me.”
“Yes,” I added. “I could worship that chair if I wanted to.”
Hamid gave us one of his exasperated looks. “But the government must stop you from doing that. It is crazy.”
“No,” insisted Mike, “in America, the government is forbidden to interfere in your worship, even if it seems crazy. We believe in the marketplace of ideas. If you want to convince someone that your religion is true, you must do it by words, not by force. If you had that freedom over here, people might not stay Muslim.”
“No, no one would leave Islam.” Hamid was firm.
Drew finally joined in. “How do you know? Let me illustrate. Suppose you went to get ice cream, and everyday, all they had was vanilla. Then one day, they also had chocolate chip, but the guy serving it refused to give it to you. How do you know if you would like it unless you were allowed to try it? Here, the people aren’t even allowed to try another religion, so how do you know what they’d do?”
“Do you even study what other religions believe?” asked Mike. “Are you even allowed to read a Bible?”
“Our mullah tells us about other religions,” replied Hamid.
“Yes, and you say he claims that the Bible spoke about the coming of the Qur’an and Mohammad. Yet I can tell you the Bible says no such thing,” I pointed out.
“So you are saying the mullah is lying?”
“He is probably mistaken, or ill-informed, but I have read the Bible several times. I assure you, it doesn’t speak about Islam. If it did, don’t you think more Christians would become Muslims?”
“But the Qur’an came after the Bible; it must be better, it is that last book from God,” protested Hamid.
“Oh, there are many books that came after the Qur’an that some religions claim are from God. The Book of Mormon came later. Are you going to become a Mormon?”
We talked some more, and I wish we had a tape recorder, because it was a good discussion. Mike got up to leave and said, “Hamid, we aren’t being mean. We are trying to get you to think. If you believe the Qur’an is God’s word, then you need to read it so you know what it says, not what one man tells you it says.”
Mike and Drew left, and Hamid and I talked for another hour. We were trying to squeeze in as much conversation in our remaining days as possible.